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View my scrapbook | Search: Home Plants Themes Stories Pictures Activities Schools Lotus - other uses Lotus flowers were once a source of highly prized perfume in South Asia. Fragrant flowers Find out moreLotus flowers, illustrated in this miniature gouache, were once used for perfume.Lotus flowers have been used as a source of valuable perfume called 'lotus perfume' which used to be available in South Asia. Lotus perfume is still made today, but now it contains a blend of patchouli, benzoin and storax and no longer contains lotus. Lotus > Introduction > Plant profile > History > Spiritual > Production & trade > Traditional medicine > Western medicine > Food > Crafts > Other uses > Grow it Choose a plant Add to my scrapbook About : Partners : Contact us : HelpAccessibility : Copyright : Privacy : Site Map || BNET | Log Out Log In | Join Search All of BNET Publications Library Home Commentary Leadership Life at Work Business Owners Exec. Ed Library CBS MoneyWatch CBS News On mySimon: Gift Idea: Sony 60 inch 3D LED LCD HDTV Hot topics: Undercover Boss Cloud Computing Wikileaks Image Galleries BNET Video Home / Business Owners / Business Hacks RSS Email Alert Another Free Office Alternative: Lotus Symphony 3 By Rick Broida | February 24, 2010 4 Comments Business Hacks Rick Broida Contact Author Bio Biography Rick Broida A technology writer for more than 15 years, Rick Broida is a regular contributor to CNET, Popular Science, Wired and other publications. He's also the author of numerous books, including How to Do Everything with Your Zune. When he's not chained to his keyboard, he's usually shooting hoops or watching quality television. Dave Johnson Contact Author Bio Biography Dave Johnson Over the past 20 years, Dave Johnson has written three dozen books (including the best-selling How to Do Everything with Your Digital Camera), co-hosted a weekly call-in radio show, and covered technology for a long list of magazines that include PC World and Wired. As his neighbors can attest, he also plays drums. More from Business Owners Google Brings 'Real' Document Editing to iPad Why We Won't Hire Anyone Without a Staff Consensus The iPod Watch: How I Launched a Great Idea with No Money The Myth of the Work-Life Balance Crisis The One-Paragraph Startup Plan View more Remember OpenOffice 3.2, the open-source (read: free) alternative to Microsoft Office? Of course you do — I sang its praises just a couple weeks ago. What you may not remember is Lotus Symphony, another Office alternative that also happens to be free. Although the product seemed to lay dormant for a couple years (the most recent version, 1.3, arrived back in 2008), Lotus is putting the finishing touches on Symphony 3. What’s new? Why should you consider Symphony over, say, OpenOffice? And why did Lotus leapfrog a 2.0 release and go straight to version 3? For starters, Symphony is like a more user-friendly, less feature-packed OpenOffice (which, incidentally, is the foundation upon which Symphony was built). It has just three modules: Documents, Presentations, and Spreadsheets, all of which are file-compatible with Microsoft Office. If you’re looking for drawing tools and databases, you’ll need to go with OpenOffice. Symphony 3 features a wealth of interface improvements and new features, including support for Visual Basic macros, nested tables, embedded audio/video, and digital signatures. Lotus has also provided full compatibility with Office 2007 and OpenOffice file formats. As for what’s behind skipping a 2.0 release, I couldn’t say. If anything, the new version feels more like Symphony 1.5, not 3.0. Still, it’s a fantastic alternative for anyone who needs full-featured word processing, spreadsheets, and presentations, but doesn’t want to shell out for the latest version of Microsoft Office. Symphony 3 Beta 2 is available now. As with any beta, use caution when working with mission-critical documents. Digg Share Tweet Yahoo! buzz Share + Email Digg Facebook Twitter Delicious Yahoo Buzz Google Buzz StumbleUpon Newsvine LinkedIn Reddit Technorati Related Tags IBM Corp., Symphony 3, Symphony 3 Beta 2, OpenOffice, Microsoft Office, Open Source, Office Suites, Software, Rick Broida More from “Business Hacks” Send Automatic E-mail Follow-ups to Avoid Lost Work Add More Options to Windows' Right-Click Menus Talkback 4 Talkbacks View All Follow via: RSS Email Alert RE: Another Free Office Alternative: Lotus Symphony 3 Lotus Symphony!!! It was the first software package I purchased for my $4,000 IBM PC clone in 1985. It cost about $700, came in a cool plastic encased shell, had about 12 floppy disks, and took over an hour to install on my 10mg hard drive. (I think I may have it saved away for prosperity or something)Invested hundreds of hours to learn the program. DOS 2.1 was the platform then. I think I used Compucast to go online with a 1200 baud modem. (What internet?) It's only equivalent was Lotus Jazz for the original 2 disk drive Apple Macintosh which had a small 8" black and white monitor.We have come a very long way in a relatively short time. The future is scary and wonderful at the same time. I'm ready for it ... are you. Emp Rx 02/25/2010 08:25 AM Flag Reply to BNET Blogger RE: Another Free Office Alternative: Lotus Symphony 3 @Emp Rx: Those were the days, right? Remember when Computer Shopper was the PC buyer's bible, and it ran close to 1,000 pages -- sometimes more! I, too, cut my teeth on DOS, then lived in WordPerfect for many years. So much change in so little time. Incredible. BizHacksRick 02/25/2010 12:03 PM Flag Reply to RE: Another Free Office Alternative: Lotus Symphony 3 @BHRick: Wordperfect put Wang out of business. For the record. The online service I used then was Compuserve not Compucast.Thanks Rick, your columns are terrific. I read them all the time.Bruce SilverEmployers Rx LLChttp://employers-Rx.com Emp Rx 02/26/2010 09:51 AM Flag Reply to BNET Blogger RE: Another Free Office Alternative: Lotus Symphony 3 @Emp Rx: I think I started with Prodigy, then moved to AOL. Both seem like the Dark Ages now... 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All rights reserved. Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise | Jobs Visit other CBS Interactive Sites: || Nelumbo nucifera From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search "Lotusflower" redirects here. For the Prince album, see Lotusflower (album). Nelumbo nucifera Scientific classification Kingdom: Plantae (unranked): Angiosperms (unranked): Eudicots Order: Proteales Family: Nelumbonaceae Genus: Nelumbo Species: N. nucifera Binomial name Nelumbo nucifera Gaertn. Synonyms Nelumbium speciosum Willd. Nymphaea nelumbo Nelumbo nucifera, known by a number of names including Indian Lotus, Sacred Lotus, Bean of India, or simply Lotus, is a plant in the Nelumbonaceae family. Botanically, Nelumbo nucifera (Gaertn.) may also be referred to by its former names, Nelumbium speciosum (Willd.) or Nymphaea nelumbo. This plant is an aquatic perennial. Under favorable circumstances its seeds may remain viable for many years, with the oldest recorded lotus germination being from that of seeds 1300 years old recovered from a dry lakebed in northeastern China.[1] A common misconception is referring to the lotus as a waterlily (Nymphaea), an entirely different plant as can be seen from the center of the flower, which clearly lacks the structure that goes on to form the distinctive circular seed pod in the Nelumbo nucifera.[citation needed] Waterlilies come in various colors, whereas the lotus has flowers only in hues of pink, or white.[citation needed] Native to Greater India[citation needed] and Bangladesh, it is commonly cultivated in water gardens. The lotus is the national flower of India and Vietnam. Contents 1 Classification 2 Botany 3 Uses 4 Cultural significance 5 Other uses 6 See also 7 References [edit] Classification See also: Nelumbo Plant taxonomy systems agree that this flower is in the Nelumbo genus, but disagree as to which family Nelumbo is in, or whether it should be part of its own unique family and order tree. [edit] Botany Open bloom The roots of Nelumbo nucifera are planted in the soil of the pond or river bottom, while the leaves float on top of the water surface. The flowers are usually found on thick stems rising several centimeters above the water. The plant normally grows up to a height of about 150 cm and a horizontal spread of up to 3 meters, but some unverified reports place the height as high as over 5 meters. The leaves may be as large as 60 cm in diameter, while the showy flowers can be up to 20 cm in diameter. Researchers report that the lotus has the remarkable ability to regulate the temperature of its flowers to within a narrow range just as humans and other warmblooded animals do.[2] Dr. Roger S. Seymour and Dr. Paul Schultze-Motel, physiologists at the University of Adelaide in Australia, found that lotus flowers blooming in the Adelaide Botanic Gardens maintained a temperature of 30–35°C (86–95°F), even when the air temperature dropped to 10°C (50°F). They suspect the flowers may be doing this to attract coldblooded insect pollinators. The study, published in the journal Nature, is the latest discovery in the esoteric field of heat-producing plants. Two other species known to be able to regulate their temperature include Symplocarpus foetidus and Philodendron selloum. The traditional Sacred Lotus is distantly related to Nymphaea caerulea, and possesses similar chemistry. Both Nymphaea caerulea and Nelumbo nucifera contain the alkaloids nuciferine and aporphine. [edit] Uses Fruit of Nelumbo nucifera; the dried seed cup is commonly used in flower arrangements. Boiled, sliced lotus roots used in various Asian cuisine The distinctive dried seed heads, which resemble the spouts of watering cansphoto, are widely sold throughout the world for decorative purposes and for dried flower arranging. The flowers, seeds, young leaves, and "roots" (rhizomes) are all edible. In Asia, the petals are used sometimes for garnish, while the large leaves are used as a wrap for food, not frequently eaten (for example, as a wrapper for zongzi). In Korea, the leaves and petals are used as a tisane. Yeonkkotcha (연꽃차) is made with dried petals of white lotus and yeonipcha (연잎차) is made with the leaves. Young lotus stems are used as a salad ingredient in Vietnamese cuisine. The rhizome (called ǒu (藕) in pinyin Chinese, ngau in Cantonese, bhe in Hindi, renkon (レンコン, 蓮根 in Japanese), yeongeun (연근) in Korean) is used as a vegetable in soups, deep-fried, stir-fried, and braised dishes and the roots are also used in traditional Asian herbal medicine. Petals, leaves, and rhizome can also all be eaten raw, but there is a risk of parasite transmission (e.g., Fasciolopsis buski): it is therefore recommended that they be cooked before eating. Lotus rootlets are often pickled with rice vinegar, sugar, chili and/or garlic. It has a crunchy texture with sweet-tangy flavours. In Asian cuisine, it is popular with salad, prawns, sesame oil and/or coriander leaves. Lotus roots have been found to be rich in dietary fiber, vitamin C, potassium, thiamin, riboflavin, vitamin B6, phosphorus, copper, and manganese, while very low in saturated fat.[citation needed] The stamens can be dried and made into a fragrant herbal tea called liánhuā cha (蓮花茶) in Chinese, or (particularly in Vietnam)[citation needed] used to impart a scent to tea leaves. The lotus seeds or nuts (called liánzĭ, 蓮子; or xian liánzĭ, 鲜莲子, in Chinese) are quite versatile, and can be eaten raw or dried and popped like popcorn, phool makhana. They can also be boiled until soft and made into a paste, or boiled with dried longans and rock sugar to make a tong sui (sweet soup). Combined with sugar, lotus seed paste becomes one of the most common ingredients used in pastries such as mooncakes, daifuku, and rice flour pudding.[3] A unique fabric from the lotus plant fibers is produced only at Inle lake, Union of Myanmar and is used for weaving special robes for Buddha images called kya thingahn (lotus robe). Hindu goddess Lakshmi holding & standing on a lotus. [edit] Cultural significance See also: Padma (attribute) Vishnu holding the lotus, also sitting on it and wearing a lotus-bud crown. From ancient times the lotus has been a divine symbol in Asian traditions representing the virtues of sexual purity and non-attachment. Hindus revere it with the divinities Vishnu and Lakshmi often portrayed on a pink lotus in iconography. In the representation of Vishnu as Padmanabha (Lotus navel), a lotus issues from his navel with Brahma on it. Goddess Sarasvati is portrayed on a white-colored lotus. Often used as an example of divine beauty, Vishnu is often described as the 'Lotus-Eyed One'. Its unfolding petals suggest the expansion of the soul. The growth of its pure beauty from the mud of its origin holds a benign spiritual promise. In Hindu iconography, other deities, like Ganga and Ganesha are often depicted with lotus flowers as their seats. The lotus plant is cited extensively within Puranic and Vedic literature, for example: One who performs his duty without attachment, surrendering the results unto the Supreme Lord, is unaffected by sinful action, as the lotus is untouched by water. —Bhagavad Gita 5.10: In Chinese culture Confucian scholar Zhou Dunyi wrote: I love the lotus because while growing from mud, it is unstained. Lotus root monument in Wuhan, China Most Buddhist, Chinese, Hindu, Japanese, and other Asian deities are depicted as seated on a lotus flower. In Buddhist symbolism, the lotus represents purity of the body, speech, and mind as if floating above the muddy waters of attachment and desire. According to legend[citation needed], Gautama Buddha was born with the ability to walk, and lotus flowers bloomed everywhere he stepped. In the classical written and oral literature of many Asian cultures the lotus is present in figurative form, representing elegance, beauty, perfection, purity and grace, being often used in poems and songs as an allegory for ideal feminine attributes. In Sanskrit the word lotus (padma पद्म) has many synonyms. Since the lotus thrives in water, ja (denoting birth) is added to synonyms of water to derive some synonyms for the lotus, like ambuja (ambu= water + ja=born of), neeraj (neera=water + ja= born of), pankaj, pankaja, kamal, kamala, kunala, aravind, arvind, nalin,nalini and saroja[4] and names derived from the lotus, like padmavati (possessing lotuses) or padmini (full of lotuses).[5] These names and derived versions are often used to name girls, and to a lesser extent boys, in India, Nepal and Sri Lanka, as well as in many other countries influenced by Indic culture, like Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia and Laos. Drawing in turn on these beliefs, the international Bahá'í community adopted this symbolism in the design of the Lotus Temple in New Delhi, India. [edit] Other uses a species of Nymphaea (water lily, possibly N. lotus), not related to Nelumbo, but sometimes confused with it, taken in 2007 The Padma Shri, a civilian award given by the Government of India, has the words Padma ("lotus") and Sri in Devanagari script appear above and below a lotus flower on its obverse. Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), a nationalist political party of India which claims to be at the forefront of India's cultural nationalism, uses the lotus as its election symbol. Japanese rock musician Miyavi uses the lotus and a crescent moon with the kanji of his name (meaning 'elegance') above, as his insignia. Moriyama City's prefectural flower is the lotus. Vietnam Airlines's logo comprises a golden lotus and is also mentioned in their frequent flyer program, the Golden Lotus Plus. Lotus is burned in a powdered form as ceremonial incense, primarily in Buddhist temples. [edit] See also Wikimedia Commons has media related to: Nelumbo nucifera Lotus Lotus seed Lotus Position Lotus-eaters The Lotos-Eaters Nelumbo Tulsi [edit] References ^ Long-living lotus: germination from 200 year old seeds ^ Heat of Lotus Attracts Insects And Scientists - New York Times ^ itmonline ^ Indian baby nmes (English) ^ Sanskrit-based names (English) || Found The document has moved here. --> British Broadcasting CorporationHome Accessibility links Skip to content Skip to local navigation Skip to bbc.co.uk navigation Skip to bbc.co.uk search Help Accessibility Help « Previous | Main | Next » Lotus v Lotus Post categories: Formula 1 Andrew Benson | 13:20 UK time, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 I'll make this as simple as possible. There will be two teams bearing the Lotus name in Formula 1 next year. One, following Wednesday's announcement of Lotus Cars' decision to sponsor and eventually buy into what was the Renault team, will be called Lotus Renault. That team will be part-owned by Lotus Cars but their F1 cars will be called Renaults and will use Renault engines. The other will be called Team Lotus. This one has nothing to do with Lotus Cars (any more - but we'll come back to that in a moment) but their F1 car will be called a Lotus. They will also use, er, Renault engines. Both teams, it transpires, plan to run their cars in variations of a black and gold livery. This is an attempt to hark back to the historic John Player Special livery made famous by the original Team Lotus in the 1970s and 1980s through great drivers such as Emerson Fittipaldi, Mario Andretti, Ronnie Peterson, Nigel Mansell and Ayrton Senna, and era-defining cars like the Lotus 72 and 79. It's a commentator's - and journalist's - nightmare and one can only begin to imagine the confusion it will create for those watching. So what on earth is going on? The story starts in 2009, when Malaysian businessman Tony Fernandes obtained a multi-year licence from Lotus Cars to use the Lotus name in F1, having persuaded the Malaysian-owned company that an involvement in grand prix racing would be a valuable promotional tool. Lotus Racing were one of three new teams in F1 in 2010, the others being Virgin and Hispania. All three spent the year close to the back of the grid, but Lotus did establish themselves as convincingly the most competitive. In order to see this content you need to have both Javascript enabled and Flash installed. Visit BBC Webwise for full instructions. If you're reading via RSS, you'll need to visit the blog to access this content. In the course of the year, though, Group Lotus's approach to F1 changed, as part of a hugely ambitious refocusing of the company's future plans by chief executive officer Dany Bahar, who formerly worked in the commercial arms of Red Bull F1 and Ferrari. Bahar, it transpires, was never keen on Lotus granting the licence to Fernandes, and it has become clear through 2010 why - he wanted to take the brand into F1 himself, but in a different way, through an involvement with an established team. At the Paris Motor Show in October, Bahar announced plans for five new road-car models, expanding Lotus's range by nearly 200%, and has since said Lotus will enter IndyCar racing in the US and race at Le Mans. And now comes a major sponsorship deal with what used to be the Renault F1 team which will, at an undefined point in the future, morph into Lotus part-owning that team. Fernandes, meanwhile, struck a deal in September to buy the rights to the Team Lotus name from David Hunt, brother of 1976 world champion James. Hunt had bought them when the original Team Lotus collapsed in 1994 after racing in F1 since 1958, during which time it had established itself as one of the sport's most iconic names. Fernandes' success in buying the name - exclusively revealed by BBC Sport - marked the point at which what had until then been a private dispute between him and Lotus Cars - which is owned by the Malaysian company Proton - broke out into the open. Following Fernandes's acquisition of the Team Lotus name, Group Lotus claimed that it owned all the rights to the Lotus name - a point of view robustly disputed by Hunt, who points out that Proton have several times tried to buy the Team Lotus name from him without ever being able to conclude a deal. The dispute got so heated that former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahatir bin Mohamad stepped in to mediate, but he succeeded only in stopping the ping-pong of press releases. The dispute is now going to the High Court - and it is unlikely to be resolved until next year. Bahar (left) launches a new Lotus car with the help of actress Sharon Stone. Photo: Getty But the disagreement over the ownership of Team Lotus is only one of two ongoing legal cases between Lotus Cars and Fernandes. In the other, Fernandes is suing Lotus Cars for breach of contract over its withdrawal of the licence to use the Lotus name in F1. That, too, is not expected to be resolved until some time next year. Both sides, then, have got themselves into a bit of a pickle. Lotus Cars has struck a deal to promote its brand in F1 through a team that is knocking on the door of breaking into the top three - and which, in Robert Kubica, has one of the finest drivers on the grid. But it is doing so with a car that is called a Renault - and there is no way out of that one. Lotus and the team's majority shareholder, the private investment group Genii Capital, cannot change the constructor name assigned to their team because if they do so without the permission of all the other teams they will lose the millions the team earns through Renault's historic achievements in F1, which date back to their entry in 1977. And guess which team would not agree? Fernandes, meanwhile, faces the prospect of his team giving free publicity to a company with which he is in two separate legal disputes. And even if he changed the name of the team to something else, his cars would still be called Lotuses. It is an unsatisfactory situation for all involved - the efforts of both parties will be diluted by a dispute that, for those watching, will create only confusion. Fernandes is understood to be increasingly confident that he will win the court case over the Team Lotus name. Lotus Cars, for its part, appears not to be overly concerned about the existence of a second team diluting its brand. Their view is that only one of the teams is affiliated with Lotus, and the other one is providing free advertising for it. In the meantime, questions hang in the air. Is the end game for Fernandes to sell the Team Lotus brand to Lotus Cars if he succeeds in establishing that he owns it? Can Lotus - and its parent company Proton - sustain such an ambitious programme? And so on. In the murk, only one thing seems clear - this is only the latest stage in a story that will rumble on for some time to come. Bookmark with: del.icio.us | Digg | Newsvine | NowPublic | Reddit - What's this? CommentsSign in or register to comment. Previous Next 1. At 2:28pm on 08 Dec 2010, Jack wrote:This could only happen in F1... I would feel Fernandez's team is more worthy of being called Lotus in that it has been set up with the ideal of returning the 'historic' Lotus name back into F1. Group Lotus, although it is kindve the same company as that affiliated with the Colin Chapman team, is effectively proton, whereas at least 'team lotus' is just lotus. Maybe we could call the proton loti Tolemans - the historic origins of the team, if history seems to be whats important, but maybe its just money, or some childish dispute between millionaires. arr iv confused myself, the end. Complain about this comment 2. At 2:33pm on 08 Dec 2010, Cronnie wrote: Great article Andrew.I also feel Fernandez is more worthy of being called Lotus, the tema on a whole has done a fantastic job in it's maiden year and i feel they have not (so far) tarnished the name of Lotus. Complain about this comment 3. At 2:38pm on 08 Dec 2010, sweenie02 wrote: I think I know where the majority of fans opinions lie on this one. Tony Fernandes brought the Lotus name back to forumla 1 with the sole intention of competing, and making Team Lotus great once again. He has also recieved the support of the Chapman family, who, despite legal protests, are surely the true owners of the Team Lotus name. Proton however have seen Lotus competing this year and it seems they have been getting jealous. They want their Lotus team in F1, not with the sole intention of winning, but with the intention of only increasing sales. Complain about this comment 4. At 2:41pm on 08 Dec 2010, usedtobefast wrote: Wow, how complicated? Ridiculous really, this could have all been avoided if Proton had just bought the rights. it sounds to me like this Bahar fellow is the one digging his heels in as he feels it was in his plan already to get them back in F1 and he's thrown his toys out of the pram because Fernandes beat him to it. Can't see that Lotus cars have a leg to stand on really given they allowed Fernandes the rights to race with the name and thereby gaining from the free advertising. I'd be disappointed if all the other teams had voted for the name change given the morals involved here. Complain about this comment 5. At 2:51pm on 08 Dec 2010, f1fantic wrote:It is great that they could be two Lotus teams but is it within the FIA rules to have two teams with the 'Lotus' brand. Lotus Racing/Team Lotus wanted to race first and did so they were the best of the new teams then you got Lotus-Renault the traditional team when Senna raced for three seasons. fernandes hasn't been anything wrong.Would be surprised if Liuzzi raced next year as he is cr*p and has had so many chances to make it in F1 give someone else a chance. Complain about this comment 6. At 2:55pm on 08 Dec 2010, Czar-Orac wrote: http://www.saveteamlotus.com/ Complain about this comment 7. At 2:57pm on 08 Dec 2010, Rich wrote: Only in F1!!! Another sub plot for 2011 then, even though my money is on Benetton (:-p) at the mo. To the no trained eye it will be a little confusing esp if Team Lotus get in the midfield. Lotus cars seem to be on a massive mission to get their brand into all categories of motor sport and it comes as no surprise to me that they have gone for F1 as well. Lets just hope it doesn't end up with a massive argument between the 2 teams that lasts for most of the season and takes the headlines away from the on track action. Complain about this comment 8. At 3:15pm on 08 Dec 2010, FunkySideBurns wrote: Lets get something straight here. Group Lotus (Proton) are the only ones that have been putting cash into motor-sport over the years. They race their road cars on the track. Lotus 2-Eleven, Elsie and others. Tony Fernandes all he has done is buy a name, he cant even use the logo for Heaven's sake. And im sure none of them can run the black and gold livery looking like that, as its the JPS colours and Cig brands are banned. Its all turning into a huge joke. What on earth is wrong with Fernandes using his own name for a team. It all smacks of him getting a ready made fan base with no effort on his part. Complain about this comment 9. At 3:20pm on 08 Dec 2010, AJG07 wrote:This is a total FARCE and the real losers of this are the fans.I know who my allegiances will lie with... the team that started from scratch from a workshop (in the old traditional British way) in Norfolk 12 months ago and who totally deserve their claim to the name Team Lotus. Not a green-eyed company trying to barge their way in by assimilating a team already near the front of the grid purely for marketing purposes.And I fully expect all true F1 fans to feel the same.This will get confusing and Bernie Ecclestone should have done something to bring an agreement between the two parties before it came to this.And incidentally, I think Team Lotus should stick with the green livery... if only just to make it easier for the watching public! Complain about this comment 10. At 3:24pm on 08 Dec 2010, tj wrote:When Lotus entered last year I wan overly happy as I did fear that they wouldn't respect the Team Lotus history. I was wrong! I think Fernandes and his team have done a great job. Yes he is Malaysian and wants to promote his country and take elements if the team there but he wants to grow there historical Norfolk base. Group Lotus do not give a poo about the history of Team Lotus other than an marketing campaign. Lotus cars is in the world because Colin Chapman needed to fund his racing just like Enzo Farrari did. It is a side show to the F1 team and I think most F1 fans know the Lotus cars and F1 are 2 seperate things and support them in that way. Complain about this comment 11. At 3:28pm on 08 Dec 2010, FunkySideBurns wrote:@AJGO7 "And I fully expect all true F1 fans to feel the same."How dare you speak for all true F1 fans. Complain about this comment 12. At 3:31pm on 08 Dec 2010, Cheese wrote: Combine? Complain about this comment 13. At 3:34pm on 08 Dec 2010, Andy wrote: @ C-zar-Orac:I was just about to post a link to that website, but you beat me to it! :) For anyone wondering, it's a website detailing why Team Lotus are the ones who should have the rights to the name in F1, and that Group Lotus are just throwing their toys out of the pram because they didn't get there first.Honestly though, if this Dany Bahar guy has a shred of intelligence then he'd see that Team Lotus are giving Group Lotus FREE publicity. And what's better is that Tony Fernandes, Mike Gascoyne and the rest of the team are in F1 for the right reasons; their love for racing and the Team Lotus name, which gives off a positive vibe as opposed to one of a greedy marketing exercise. Also, Team Lotus could use the iconic Gold Leaf livery if they did not wish to use the JPS colours.I will be supporting Team Lotus next season :) Complain about this comment 14. At 3:37pm on 08 Dec 2010, cynicalyorkie2 wrote: The only people bothered are the commentators who will lose track of how many times a 'Lotus' has been lapped. Complain about this comment 15. At 3:38pm on 08 Dec 2010, ace9988 wrote:Apart from the fact of who is worthy of being called Team lotus, there'll be a few big problems1) the drivers wont know which lotus is driven by whom, for all alonso could be doing is chasing jarno trulli who is a lap behind thinking its robert kubica.2) theres going to be all sorts of chaos in the pit lane, with lotus pulling in the wrong pit box or other pit crews releasing cars thinking that lotus has already pitted or vice versa (the force india - renault accident in the pit lane this year) Complain about this comment 16. At 3:40pm on 08 Dec 2010, TheMightyGusset wrote: All I can say is that I'm glad Murray Walker isn't commentating any more !Two black and gold cars and both called Lotus ?He'd never have coped ! Complain about this comment 17. At 3:46pm on 08 Dec 2010, sturogers wrote:I don't think it will be so confusing, really. We've had a very similar situation for a few seasons now, in that both Red Bull and Toro Rosso have very similar liveries, and the names are the same, just in different languages.I'm sure, when it comes to the races, we'll soon work out which cars are Lotus Renault (somewhere near the front of the midfield) and which cars are Team Lotus (somewhere near the back of the midfiled).I'm just happy enough that they (Team Lotus) survived their first season and will be back next season! Complain about this comment 18. At 3:49pm on 08 Dec 2010, Matthew Dowson wrote: Booooooo! this is stupid! why are group lotus trying to hijack the image of their own brand? couldnt they have just bought the 2010 lotus team and avoid this stupid branding dispute. Also, the new lotus-renault team will not be able to use the black and gold livery because lotus racing got there first, and the fia will never allow such similar liverys. Complain about this comment 19. At 3:49pm on 08 Dec 2010, tj wrote: 16. At 3:40pm on 08 Dec 2010, TheMightyGusset wrote:All I can say is that I'm glad Murray Walker isn't commentating any more !Two black and gold cars and both called Lotus ?He'd never have coped !What you think the J. Legard will cope? Complain about this comment 20. At 3:49pm on 08 Dec 2010, Michty Me wrote:Already, Red Bull v Toro Rosso; now, Lotus v LotusAnyway,It was my impression that the names on the entry list recently published by the FIA cannot now be changed without the agreement of all other teams (and sometimes not even then) - and I hardly think Tony Fernandes will agree to a change in Renault's name - as illustrated by the fact that this year we had the 'BMW Sauber Ferrari' Team, notwithstanding BMW's sale of its interest.Maybe team names should be set in stone and the only way to change is to set up a completely new team. In which case, applied retrospectively, congratulations to Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber for giving the Stewart Formula One team its first championship double. Complain about this comment 21. At 3:54pm on 08 Dec 2010, Ripinho wrote:"Lotus and the team's majority shareholder, the private investment group Genii Capital, cannot change the constructor name assigned to their team because if they do so without the permission of all the other teams they will lose the millions the team earns through Renault's historic achievements in F1, which date back to their entry in 1977".Thanks for clearing most of this up Andrew but this bit has really gave me a headache!Isn't the current Renault team just the ashes of Benetton and Toleman before it?How can it claim any sort of money from the previous incarnation of the Renault team? Or is it all in the marketing of the brand name Renault?I may be just missing the point but I would be garteful if somebody could clear this up. Ta. Complain about this comment 22. At 4:01pm on 08 Dec 2010, shecanary wrote:Thank god Tony Fernandes hasn't yet invested in my local club Norwich City yet, as has been rumoired bacause of his connection to Lotus down the road (although this article seems to suggest this was tenuous although his F1 team is still based in Norfolk). That would really confuse things. Complain about this comment 23. At 4:10pm on 08 Dec 2010, Bestyboy wrote:Its a shame that it's come down to this, why didnt Proton Lotus use the money it's used to buy Renault Lotus to develop Fernandes Lotus into a frontrunner as now it'll always be thought of as Renault Lotus not Lotus Lotus and will never recieve the full credit that Fernandes Lotus deserves for resurrecting Lotus in the first place. Colin Chapman must be spinning in his grave. Lotus.Can you imagine how Johnathon Legard will cope with TWO teams called Lotus next year? Cant we call one of them Toro Lotus and pretend its not a Red Bull.... Sorry i mean Lotus? Complain about this comment 24. At 4:16pm on 08 Dec 2010, IconYu wrote: @Rich:Don't you mean Toleman? Complain about this comment 25. At 4:17pm on 08 Dec 2010, canary-neil wrote:Whilst this is messy on the surface, it is the naming of the chassis that is key here. Unless Group Lotus gets the unanimous agreement of the other teams (including Team Lotus - unlikely!), the Enstone-based cars will still be Renault-Renaults, just with Lotus as a title sponsor, as Vodafone is for McLaren. The same applies to Tony Fernandes' team. They would need approval from the rest of the teams for their cars to be called anything other than Lotus in 2011. As they don't want to change names, this is not really an issue.Whilst the attempts to hijack the brand by Proton are petty in the extreme, at present, there will only be two Lotus-Renault cars in 2011, run by Team Lotus. Let Renault run the black and gold livery if they choose. Team Lotus should keep the green and yellow and stay true to the brand. Complain about this comment 26. At 4:22pm on 08 Dec 2010, Kai FT wrote:I never really understood Fernandez in using the Lotus name, when he has absolutely no ties with the historic lotus whatsoever. He did a fine job establishing a new team, but it was a new team and not Lotus. The problem seamed to be that Hunt didn't want to sell the Team Lotus name to Proton. This can be only solved if Fernandez wins the court and sells the Lotus name back to Proton. The Lotus will be Lotus (er..+Renault), and Fernandez' team will be called Maserati or Brabus or whatever historic name he picks up..just call yourself Air Asia Racing and nobody will bother Complain about this comment 27. At 4:30pm on 08 Dec 2010, Rich wrote: At 4:16pm on 08 Dec 2010, IconYu wrote:@Rich:Don't you mean Toleman?No I said Benetton for a laugh. but I do no they started off life as Toleman in 1981 at Imola with Derek Warwick and Brian Henton but both failed to quantify. Complain about this comment 28. At 4:43pm on 08 Dec 2010, hackerjack wrote:Both teams are as bad as each other in this childish standoff, both want to use (and abuse) the Lotus name for PR purposes only.The best thing Fernandes could do is to give up claim to the Lotus name and go back to Litespeed. Not one fan or sponsor was convinced they were Lotus to begin with. Keep the green/gold livery, keep the fans they made last year through being the little team that could. Take this through the courts and they will lose all of those fans. Complain about this comment 29. At 4:45pm on 08 Dec 2010, BDN41 wrote:I'm sure most fans will be able to tell the difference, the red end-plates on the Renault will be a big clue (unless Team copy them just to wind Proton up!)I'm really hoping that Team Lotus have a great season next year but I'm concerned that if they start to get too close to Lotus Renault their engine's performance may start to tail off or even a few failures may occur. Was switching from Cosworth a good idea when, as I understand it, the gearbox caused the majority of problems? Complain about this comment 30. At 5:00pm on 08 Dec 2010, Spike wrote: Well, the commentators manage with two Red Bull teams. No reason why they can't manage with two Lotus teams as well. Complain about this comment 31. At 5:00pm on 08 Dec 2010, Elchupe wrote: Maybe we are taking it a little too far... I doubt that the two teams will come up with the EXACT same livery, so it wont be all that difficult to distinguish the teams at all. After all, sponsorship on the cars will be different, shape of the cars will more than likely be different, because its being made by two separate companies.All that is going to be the same is 1) The Engine, and 2) the word LotusI know its a different thing with Torro Rosso and Red Bull, but they aren't hard to differentiate. Complain about this comment 32. At 5:08pm on 08 Dec 2010, AJG07 wrote: @BDN41 'Was switching from Cosworth a good idea when, as I understand it, the gearbox caused the majority of problems?'My understanding is that as part of a tie up with Red Bull, Team Lotus will use the same gearbox and rear end as Red Bull as well as the Renault engine. Complain about this comment 33. At 5:10pm on 08 Dec 2010, willow_79 wrote:The definitive thing for me is that one team is based in it's traditional Norfolk home and is making single seater cars to race, the other is just sponsoring someone. Paying sponsorship money to another F1 team seems so alien to everything Colin Chapman was about in F1.Group Lotus have been acting oddly in motorsport all thanks to Bahar. Sponsoring a champcar entry this year. Sponsoring GP2 & GP3 entries next season. Not sure how much credit the road cars will get for other engineering companies efforts on racing. The big worry would be that he's throwing away so much money at a company that doesn't exactly run at a healthy profit. Hope no-one at Group Lotus loses their job in the future due to this ambitious approach of (half-heartidly) entering every racing formula they can in one go and running out of cash.Lotus Cars entering the Le Mans series would be great, and historically in line with the company approach.I grew up a Lotus fan and after so many years dreaming of a return it is a truly bizarre day when I'm not happy to read today's news of a new Lotus team name for 2011! As for the claims by Proton (Bahar) that they own the brand rights anyway, go read www.saveteamlotus.com as suggested above and find out exactly how solid David Hunt's case has been for 16 years.I'd prefer Team Lotus to stay with the British racing green as others have said. True classic paint scheme. Complain about this comment 34. At 5:33pm on 08 Dec 2010, Abuelo Paul wrote: Thank you Andrew for clearing up some issues. My question is, if you could answer: is not the real issue in F1 the team entry accepted by the FIA? As I understand it each team has to submit an entry request and any new team has to fulfill certain criteria, as in the new 3 last year. There was much confusion surrounding the Sauber BMW, Renault F1 and Toyota team names last year with Sauber and Genii having to retain the original entry name whereas the Serbian chap(?) wasn't allowed to just buy Toyota and rename it. However Brawn did just that the year before. There seems to be a lot of ambiguity in the rules and they seem to change to suit the FIA. Or why cant Proton just call the car a Proton Renault. Or Genii-Lotus Renault. After all Lotus have already been accepted by the FIA as the holder of he Lotus name. Complain about this comment 35. At 5:38pm on 08 Dec 2010, AEROFOIL wrote:I sincerely hope that Tony Fernandes does win through and proves that the Team Lotus name is his to use having acquired the name from David Hunt. That being the case would that then preclude Lotus cars/Renault from using the John Player special livery? - It should! I suspect that Lotus cars may be taking on more than they can chew here, and perhaps they are on a sticky wicket in the high court, and may end up having to pay damages to Fernandes. Complain about this comment 36. At 6:50pm on 08 Dec 2010, Adam_994 wrote: Great article Andrew.Like many on here, I feel that Fernandes should be the one to keep the Lotus name. He really wants to make the team into what it was, and we've seen that he's taking this goal very seriously. Proton just want to make money from it. The Chapmans entrusted Fernandes with their team, enough said. Complain about this comment 37. At 6:57pm on 08 Dec 2010, JPTA_307 wrote:I can see Formula 1 becoming very confusing to watch next season, with commentators not only having two different Lotus teams to seperate, but also teams with the same livery on their cars, it will be very easy to mix up each car.Fernandes should get to keep the lotus name, as he brought it back into F1 adn has worked hard to establish themselves back on the grid, and i'm sure 'Team Lotus' will be fighting further up the midfield this coming season. Complain about this comment 38. At 7:22pm on 08 Dec 2010, No Tomato In My BLT wrote: Team Lotus should keep the name. Clive Chapman (son of the late great Colin) has been behind the team this year, and the relentless work of Tony Fernandes and Mike Gascoyne to set up a team and build two cars in the space of about 6 months is exceptional. They have endeared themselves to the F1 paddock.Lotus Cars just seem to do this all out of jealously. If they were truly passionate about F1, they would have entered years ago. As it is, they're only getting involved when there's another Lotus on the block. 'Hijacking' the plan to have a black and gold livery also smacks of just trying to annoy the other team. Keep the Renault name. Keep the yellow and black colour scheme and sponsor them via Proton. Let Team Lotus keep their name. Complain about this comment 39. At 7:41pm on 08 Dec 2010, MacauBlue wrote:There shoudn't be any name confusion… it has been pointed out quite early in the article that the Lotus Renault team's cars will be known as Renaults. What I would do in Fernandez's shoes is revert to the original green and yellow Lotus livery used on their beautiful '60s racers rather than use black and gold which was less synonymous with the name Lotus, more so with the brand name written large across every available space on those mobile fag packets. Complain about this comment 40. At 8:09pm on 08 Dec 2010, em_jay wrote: Really puts the meaning behind LOTUS: Lots Of Trouble, Usually Serious! Complain about this comment 41. At 10:27pm on 08 Dec 2010, Christopher Foxon wrote:Am I the only one who believes potentially having a Lotus Renault GP team and a Team Lotus Renault team in F1 2011 might be an interesting rivalry? Lotus CEO Dany Bahar has mentioned in the press today "four Lotus brands out there is better than two. I have nothing against that."With Proton's lukewarm support for Lotus Racing (not Team Lotus) in 2010 it was always possible we would end up with two Lotus F1 teams. Complain about this comment 42. At 10:27pm on 08 Dec 2010, F101011 wrote: I think everyone associated with F1 will be able to tell the cars apart. As for the confusion for if it's Kubica or Trulli Alonso's passing, Petrov and Kubica has the same car for 2010 and were usually at opposite ends of the grid, and team radio's are there for a reason.It's the newer fans or the kids watching the CBBC commentary that I feel sorry for, Toro Rosso at least have a different name to Red Bull and as a casual fan you may not put two and two together. Surely the same name bar a few letters (Team/GP) will cause the FIA or Bernie to step in, the last thing we want is for a supporter of Renault or Lotus not to know who they want to win. Complain about this comment 43. At 11:21pm on 08 Dec 2010, dave wrote:This is probably one of the reasons why F1 tends to get less respect compared to other sports.. Should we be surprised? We already have two Red Bull teams on the grid and to be honest, you can't really separate the Mercedes and McLaren teams from afar. The only surprise is that Ferrari don't have another team! Funny how we wait 16 years for a new Lotus team to come up, and then two of them show up. The positive is that at least we will have 24 cars on the grid which is always good news and hopefully Tony Fernandes' team will be more competitive and be able to move up the grid - I guess in case he lost, he could always rename his team AirAsia GP? Complain about this comment 44. At 11:27pm on 08 Dec 2010, Ross Quinn wrote:It's just like Manchester United and Manchester City or AC Milan and Inter Milan or the countless others and they seem to get along.Team Lotus all the way if it goes that far. They were there first and seem to be doing it right rather than piggy backing. I'm sure all previous Lotus fans (I am only 23 after all) would rather a real team than one where it's only half the name to be shared with a tainted brand. Complain about this comment 45. At 00:05am on 09 Dec 2010, samson2009 wrote: Now the BBC will have to get rid of Mr Ledgard - he will never cope with 2 teams called Lotus and both in black and gold - he's bad enough with Red Bull & Torro Rosso - I can feel my blood boiling already and there's still 90 days to go!! Complain about this comment 46. At 00:24am on 09 Dec 2010, davepoth wrote:The Fernandes Lotus team to me are the true bearers of the Lotus "spirit", making cars in a shed in Norfolk. And as far as the FIA is concerned this is also the case - the records show that they are a continuation of the team that finished in 1994. Behar is on a bit of a sticky wicket here. I get the impression that F1 was going to be a cornerstone of the Lotus revival, and he only went there on that basis, to find that it was a complete disaster. The question is, how long will Proton continue to fund him?And as to earlier posters wondering what the Malaysian fascination with Lotus was about, the Lotus flower is the national flower of Malaysia, which makes it quite a coup for a Malaysian to own. Complain about this comment 47. At 01:25am on 09 Dec 2010, Alan Tomkinson wrote:Team Lotus should forget all about the black and gold JPS livery. They should revert to the the original Team Lotus colours of green with a yellow stripe. Jim Clark, probably (definitely in my opinion) their greatest ever driver raced in those colours at the time when Lotus were at their most dominant, 1963. Complain about this comment 48. At 02:23am on 09 Dec 2010, beeDUB75 wrote: We've all survived ok watching Red Bulls and Toro Rossos so I don't think there will be an issue watching Lotus vs Lotus - they wont be designed by the same people unlike the energy drink teams. The team formally known as Renault I think will do the Lotus name more justice - at least in the short term. As much as I like Fernandez and the Lotus Racing team, they still have a very long way before they are genuinely competitive. I think without harming the Lotus name Fernandez may relinquish (sell) his naming rights. In the end, as always in F1, money talks. Complain about this comment 49. At 04:34am on 09 Dec 2010, ozf1nut wrote: simplegroup lotus stop throwing a tanty and sponsor team lotus, renault stays renault and everyones happy!unfortunately when money is involved it rarely is simple Complain about this comment 50. At 05:11am on 09 Dec 2010, injidup wrote: @FunkysideburnsSo Tony Fernandes has simply bought a fan base with no effort? How about the work it took to get a team through their first season in F1? Surely what you suggest is exactly what Bahar has done? He hasn't even designed and developed his own car, just paid to have the company name on the side of Renault's car! And as for Lotus putting cash into motorsport - really? I own and race a Lotus Elise and have seen no sponsorship from Lotus. Most of the Lotuses racing are run by enthusiasts, just like Fernandes, not someone who went to Lotus because he couldn't get top job at Ferrari. Spoilt brat. Complain about this comment 51. At 05:12am on 09 Dec 2010, injidup wrote:Just out of interest, what do the Italian commentators call Red Bull? Complain about this comment 52. At 07:32am on 09 Dec 2010, Paul1257 wrote: If Proton had any sense they would see that to allow Tony Fernandes the freedom to use the Lotus name and then they themselves support the Renault team under the Proton brand would enhance their all round business. Tony Fernandes has the passion and enthusiasm for the sport to bring the Lotus name back to F1 and I feel really sorry that he has now to fight this battle with a company who are coming across as having a hissy-fit at not having the foresight to see the potential of the exposure Grand Prix racing gives. Proton are now just coming across as the spoiled bully who wants to get in on the act. I have every respect for Tony, Mike Gascoyne and the rest of the team for the stirling job they have done in 2010 and am really looking forward to the 2011 season when they have every chance of doing a 'Brawn'. I have no respect for Proton and their silly antics. I know Tony was already planning the black & gold livery for 2011 but, if Proton continue to pursue their line of action, I would suggest Team Lotus continue with the green and yellow or, alternatively, the red, gold and white of the late 60's and 70's cars - another great era for the team! Go for it Tony! Complain about this comment 53. At 08:02am on 09 Dec 2010, Riggadon wrote: "I think I know where the majority of fans opinions lie on this one. Tony Fernandes brought the Lotus name back to forumla 1 with the sole intention of competing, and making Team Lotus great once again. He has also recieved the support of the Chapman family, who, despite legal protests, are surely the true owners of the Team Lotus name.Proton however have seen Lotus competing this year and it seems they have been getting jealous. They want their Lotus team in F1, not with the sole intention of winning, but with the intention of only increasing sales. " - Sweenie02Yep, just about word for word thats how I feel, so you definitely speak for me. As far as I'm concerned, Fernandez got in there first, and his reasons are more honourable than the other lot. I dont care what Proton say, Fernandez's guys are the real Team Lotus.Think about it, as a modern team they encapsulate what the original Lotus was all about. They started from absolute nothing and won people's respect in their first year doing a very competent job as they went and probably learned lots that they can take into their 2nd year. All against the odds with a start from absolute nothing. If thats not the spirit of Lotus then I dont know what is. Complain about this comment 54. At 08:27am on 09 Dec 2010, SmudgerCLS wrote:I don't think either of them deserve the name. Neither has any credible lineage back to the original Team Lotus. What was left of the 'original' Team was just a name which David Hunt bought and sold. People who get all misty eyed at the thought of a green & yellow or black and gold 'Lotus' racing today are deluding themselves. This has nothing to do with history whatsoever. It's about either selling Protons or attracting sponsorship for a team which made its debut in 2010.As has already been mentioned, if we get all sentimental about the Lotus name, we may as well refer to the Renaults as Tolemans, or the Mercs as Brawns, no wait, Hondas, no, hang on BAR's....nope, Tyrrells!! Complain about this comment 55. At 08:57am on 09 Dec 2010, Steve T wrote: I suggest the answer is for both teams to copy Red Bull and Toro Rosso Teams. They can come to a similar arrangement using the same engines, with the Renault Team also providing other technology. This will help Team Lotus get out of the bottom 3 and improve the Lotus Cars brand name Complain about this comment 56. At 09:06am on 09 Dec 2010, willow_79 wrote: Anyone else find it odd that Proton is payng lots of money to a rival car manufacturer? Surely Proton would want to get sales in the European market rather than funding Renault. If they were really serious about this they would have announced plans to introduce a Proton F1 engine in 2013 and their own car. A Team Lotus powered by a Proton would have been a good compromise for Fernandes, Group Lotus & Proton, but when has F1 ever been sensible? Complain about this comment 57. At 11:20am on 09 Dec 2010, Neil Anderson wrote: To me the name isn’t really the big issue hereIf you look at the team names last year, as officially registered, Red Bull Racing-Renault, McLaren Mercedes, Ferrari, Mercedes GP, Renault, Williams-Cosworth Force India-Mercedes, BMW Sauber-Ferrari, STR Ferrari, Lotus-Cosworth HRT-Cosworth and last but not least Virgin-Cosworth So we have 2 Renaults, 3 Mercedes, 3 Ferrari and 4 Cosworth teams. Yes it would be nice to have 12 different manufacturers and teams but in reality we have just 4.To me the issue is being able to tell the two teams apart when they go flying past you at 150MPH. I think the big winner in this war of words is a certain cigarette manufacturer.Without doing anything people are referring to both teams as having John Player Special liveries. Even though cigarette advertising has been banned for a number of years.The FIA should insist that if the teams do not sort out their differences out of court, as punishment for being so childish both teams should not be allowed to use the black and gold. Maybe one team in day-glow pink with yellow polka dots, the other in day-glow yellow with pink polka dots. Complain about this comment 58. At 11:49am on 09 Dec 2010, TheRutlandFlyer wrote:I can't help feeling that Group Lotus is overextending itself rather badly. The last time Lotus moved away from it's lightweight, uncompromising, sporting roots and started making more luxurious and refined cars it ended up being a disaster. With five new car models and new racing projects across the whole spectrum of open wheel racing, I think this is all going to end in tears. Complain about this comment 59. At 11:58am on 09 Dec 2010, hackerjack wrote: 51. At 05:12am on 09 Dec 2010, injidup wrote:Just out of interest, what do the Italian commentators call Red Bull?-----------------"Red Bull". Just like they call Ferrari "Ferrari". It's a NAME, name's shouldn't change in translation.Anyway I think I'm beginning to see the bigger picture here, the timings and coincidences are too great, the entier thing is a stitch up from start to finish.Once the court action started clearly an agreement has been made between Fernandes and Proton with Renault involved as well.The coincidence of Fernandes suddenly being interested in Renault engines right as Proton are thinking of investing in RenaultF1, the whole controversy brought up by identical naming and livery suggestions. It's all a setup.Proton are not a big name in cars around the world, but I bet there are millions more people who now know the name and thay they are associated with Lotus than there were a month ago. None of them would without this episode.Mark my words this will be settled before the season starts. Lotus-Renault will run as one team in black and yellow. Team Lotus will run as another in Green and Gold, the court case will be settled with an undisclose resolution. Fernandes gets his engines/gearboxes and publicity, Proton get their front of the grid car and publicity, everyone wins. Complain about this comment 60. At 12:30pm on 09 Dec 2010, David wrote: I am very very surprised that the FIA and FOM (and FOTA) would allow two teams to have similar names and similar colour schemes. Isn't the point of all these organisations to ensure the right driver in the right car in the right team gets the recognition for a victory?Won't somebody have to make a concrete decision about this before the start of the season? Also, aren't the actual team names owned by Bernie/CVC/FOM, so ultimately the names can be changed without the team's agreement?Otherwise this will open the gates for future teams to have Ferrari Red and Mercedes Silver cars, and then where would we be? Complain about this comment 61. At 12:46pm on 09 Dec 2010, Paul1257 wrote:Mike Gascoyne on his Twitter page has just announced that it's 77% in favour from the fans for the team to stay in green and yellow. Sounds good to me! Complain about this comment 62. At 12:51pm on 09 Dec 2010, Bestyboy wrote:The saddest part in all this is that Lotus Group have failed to recognize the efforts of everyone at the Norfolk Factory this year - if any of you are reading this, well done for showing the rest of the new teams the way home and well done for making such progress during the year, i for one wish you all the very best for next year and will be putting my full support behind the true TEAM LOTUS next year (even though Kubica is one of my favorite drivers!!). Complain about this comment 63. At 12:53pm on 09 Dec 2010, ravenmorpheus2k wrote:"57. At 11:20am on 09 Dec 2010, Neil Anderson wrote:So we have 2 Renaults, 3 Mercedes, 3 Ferrari and 4 Cosworth teams. Yes it would be nice to have 12 different manufacturers and teams but in reality we have just 4."Neil I think you need to do a bit more research there. Those names are just the names of the engines the teams use. We have 12 different car manufacturers as all cars are built in-house. They may use parts from other companies but the majority of each car is built/designed by the team running the car.Are you saying Adrian Newey actually works for Renault, because RBR use the Renault name in their name and therefore the RBR car manufacturer is in fact Renault?If you are, you need to go back and think about your statement there a bit more.Also everyone is making the connection between the Black/Gold livery and JPS because that is what it represents, it's one of the liveries based on sponsor colours that Team Lotus used in the past.Just because cigarette advertising has been banned doesn't mean you cannot refer to the companies who used to sponsor teams. Or are we suddenly to forget that Marlboro sponsored Ferrari, or Rothmans/Camel sponsored Williams, hmm?Anyone can look up historical photos of race cars and see the tobacco sponsors logos plastered all over them so there is no real reason not to refer to the black/gold livery as a JPS type of livery, because people can still find out about it, even if we refer to it as a Lotus Black/Gold livery of old. If I said to you go look up the great Senna in his Lotus, using google, one of the first pics you come across is a JPS liveried car (1986 #12 to be exact).Call a spade a spade.Personally I don't like this move by Proton at all, Proton are buying their way into F1, using a name that doesn't mean diddly squat in motorsport as a whole, and causing problems for a team trying to emulate the success that Colin Chapman had in F1. Tony Fernandez announced Lotus Racing were going to use the iconic JPS style livery, and now all of a sudden Proton have stolen that idea.The Team Lotus name means more than the Lotus Cars brand does in motorsport, especially in F1 and Proton are wrong to be bringing Lotus Cars into F1 in the way they have done, if they really wanted an F1 team for the purpose of racing they should have done what Tony Fernandez has done (and Colin Chapman before him), built a team from scratch that is separate from the factory in Hethel.No-one here should be under the illusion that this team is Lotus in any way shape or form, Lotus have not properly existed since Group Lotus was sold off to GM 2 years after Colin Chapmans death in 1982. This is nothing more than Proton using the Group Lotus/Lotus Cars name to make a few extra bucks on the back of a name they believe holds some sway with fans. Still I guess Lotus Cars has more credibility than the Proton brand ever will. Complain about this comment 64. At 2:39pm on 09 Dec 2010, Neil Anderson wrote: ravenmorpheus2k: thanks for your comments. The names I refer to are those listed as registered team names on the Formula 1 website. The point I was making is that no matter what they are officially called people will shorten the team names to something they find easy to first remember and second In the same way that next season the teams would be listed Lotus - Renault and Team Lotus – RenaultAs I am sure you will know the best form of advertising is both the written and spoken word either through news paper or internet articles (written) and Television or Viral articles (spoken). Whether unintentional or intentionally referring to the cars as in the JPS livery, we are advertising a brand. And by publishing these comments that only forms to deliver the message more. We do not refer to the Ferrari’s from 5 years ago as the Marlboro Ferrari it is just Ferrari or even Scarlet Ferrari. But if you are referring to the a Black and Gold Lotus why is it a JPS Lotus. Because the sponsors of the day did a brilliant job and they are still getting free promotion years after the deal ended.I take on board what you say about people being able to look at previous pictures from historic races and see tobacco advertising. However, this is about next season and future races. Like is say I take on board your comments and reiterate that the name, to me personally (I will not try to answer for every F1 fan as others have), isn’t important as been able to tell the different cars and different drivers from one another.Personally I don’t follow one team but rather I will support a driver, usually British. For example in 2009 I followed the Brawn of Button and the McLaren of Hamilton. They made it easy for me in 2010 with Button moving to McLaren. Therefore being able to identify the driver due to helmet design (changing designs like Vettel did virtually every other race really annoys me) and identifying the team at high speed is always good. I totally agree with you on Lotus haveing more credibility than the Proton Brand. Proton just sounds too much like a pain-killer to me and not a racing team or even a car manufacturer...............But no matter what happens, lets all hope for a decent season next year and come the end of the first race we will wonder what all the fuss is about. Complain about this comment 65. At 3:03pm on 09 Dec 2010, Paul1257 wrote:I have to agree with ravenmorpheus2k, Tony Fernandes has (re)generated the interest in the Lotus name and has done so with the same enthusiasm and spirit of the team as the late Colin Chapman. If anyone deserves the support of the fans it has to be Tony's Team Lotus who have to be the true successor to the Lotus racing brand. Between him and the efforts of Mike Gascoyne they ARE the new Lotus. While I appreciate that there is little to relate it to the heritage of Chapman's Lotus, Tony and Mike's incarnation is more in keeping with the ambitions of Colin Chapman. Complain about this comment 66. At 3:27pm on 09 Dec 2010, WolfiePeters wrote:Now if we could get two Colin Chapmans back into F1 and two Jim Clarks and two Graham Hills and, of course, two Nigel Mansellsthat would be worth talking about. Complain about this comment 67. At 3:32pm on 09 Dec 2010, Lotusace wrote:As an avid fan of all things Lotus (I am luck enough to own two Lotus Cras), I believe that 'Proton' are heading for a major fall and with it the 'Lotus Car' Brand, multi million new car development plans, Indy Car, LeMans, F1 etc........lets get real!Whilst on the other hand Tony Fernandes has taken on the Lotus (Colin Chapman) spirit and returned the Team Lotus to F1, he has been very loyal to the brand history and image and has received the blessing of the Chapman family, I think he will stick with the green and yellow, and I hope above all else he will blow the Renault-Proton-Lotus team out of the water.Good luck to TEAM LOTUS the genuine article. Complain about this comment 68. At 4:05pm on 09 Dec 2010, Bote wrote: This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules. 69. At 5:33pm on 09 Dec 2010, Michty Me wrote:F1 car branding which is clearly emblematic of a tobacco brand COULD be challenged, at least in British courts.At which time, of course, Bernie would say "If I can't have it my way, then there will be no more British GP", and some of our craven (pun intended) politicians would ask "How high [do I have to jump], Mr Ecclestone, sir?" Complain about this comment 70. At 6:58pm on 09 Dec 2010, Ichabod_76 wrote:I for one will be calling one car Proton-Renault the other Team Lotus Who will join me Complain about this comment 71. At 8:03pm on 09 Dec 2010, Starion wrote: There is another way to look at this. The legacy left by Lotus was so strong that it has spawned a racing team and a car manufacturer. Both want to prove their technology so let both of them use the name. I cant see the problem really. It will be another interesting rivalry in F1. Complain about this comment 72. At 00:01am on 10 Dec 2010, brackley1 wrote:All this just proves how Formula 1 risks being made a laughing stock by money interests pushing out sporting interests. The last thing F1 needs is another pair of teams difficult to distinguish (think RB/TR). And what's the black and gold thing about anyway? That was a cigarette brand (I smoked them), not a racing car. Mike Gascoyne's own poll is dead right - keep the green and yellow for the "real" Lotus and keep Renault as Renault. They are both classic names in F1 and deserve their separate identities. Complain about this comment 73. At 09:55am on 10 Dec 2010, Paul1257 wrote:Interesting site worth taking a look if you're a supporter of Tony's efforts - www.saveteamlotus.com Complain about this comment 74. At 11:42am on 10 Dec 2010, rossltmoss wrote: I really appreciate what Tony Fernandes has done, but he could of picked any manufactuer he liked, Maserati for example. I am a Norfolk boy through and through and a big fan of Lotus Cars. Proton saved Lotus Cars from going under, they have turned the company into making a profit and looking to be developing some very interesting new cars.If they choose to put there name on a F1 car then great, more advertising for Lotus Cars !!!!Yes Fernandes team have done well to survive for season, but personally seeing the Lotus name near the back of the pack each race doesn't exactly fill me full of joy.To say Proton have done nothing to help out Norfolk is completely untrue, Hethel works is still going strong just outside of Norwich, and they also continue to support Norwich City Football Club.Personally as much advertising for Lotus the better !!! Complain about this comment 75. At 11:47am on 10 Dec 2010, Ross Quinn wrote:Red Bull/Toro Rosso are totally separate from this. They make no secret that Toro is a feeder team to RB. This is two separate teams both competing for the same fans when on Team Lotus deserve them. I think Team should go green and yellow and let Renault go gold and black, they already are tainted and now trying to muscle in on another team. How would Sauber or Ferrari act if Renault tried to call themselves Sauber Renault or Ferrari Renault. Complain about this comment 76. At 11:51am on 10 Dec 2010, John Bergqvist wrote:My view is that Lotus Racing (Gascoyne's team) shouldn't be called Lotus. What links do they have to the original Team Lotus? OK so the current Group Lotus don't have that many links to the original Team Lotus either, but still more than Lotus Racing, which only has a name. It would be exactly the same as me starting up an F1 team called Ligier. Group Lotus have a valid reason to use Team Lotus as their name as it was a sister company of theirs essentially, yet Lotus Racing have no links in common with the original Team Lotus other than a name which they have just simply purchased to make themselves look good. Complain about this comment 77. At 12:29pm on 10 Dec 2010, Peter Fox wrote: A lot of rubbish spoken about it not being right that Proton just bought into Renault to gain entry for marketing purposes. It's no different than BMW buying Sauber or Mercedes buying Brawn. F1 is a business with a sporting element 20 times a year on a Sunday.Proton and its Lotus manufacturing operation are looking to expand the brand. Team Lotus is a completely seperate entity and is a vehicle for Tony Fernandes to market his companies - he has chosen Team Lotus for its F1 history as a Marketing tool - it was naive to think that the manufacturing company wouldn't see the benefit as well.So now we have this strange situation - I expect eventually the two entities will merge or Tony Fernandes will re-name and market his own businesses like Air Asia and Tune Group.I would keep the Green/Yellow of Team Lotus if I was Fernandes or maybe use the red/gold livery of the Gold Leaf days prior to the Black JPS.For me let the best team win - after all that's what its all about if you just spectate on a Sunday. Complain about this comment 78. At 2:17pm on 10 Dec 2010, Michty Me wrote:Team Lotus and Lotus Cars were split LONG ago.The situation is not wholly dissimilar to the time when VW bought Rolls-Royce Motor Cars Ltd, only to discover that the rights to the use of "Rolls-Royce" (a trademark of the aero-engine manufacturer) as a marque dissolved once there was a change in ownership of the car company, leaving VW with only Bentley and Rolls-Royce plc free to 're-assign' the car marque to its pals at BMW.That time, the legal position was quite clear - Rolls-Royce plc owned the name (and had allowed Vickers plc to use it for its subsidiary car company) and retained a yea-or-nay say over the use of the name once the car company ceased to be a member of the Vickers group of companies.If anyone thinks that Lotus v Lotus will be easily settled, they should try reading the decades-long history of the Apple Corps Ltd v Apple Computer Inc (as then were) dispute - and they were two companies without a common history! Complain about this comment 79. At 3:04pm on 10 Dec 2010, Kif wrote:77. At 12:29pm on 10 Dec 2010, Peter Fox wrote: "A lot of rubbish spoken about it not being right that Proton just bought into Renault to gain entry for marketing purposes. It's no different than BMW buying Sauber or Mercedes buying Brawn."Yup, that's pretty true. However, it's not Proton that's being promoted here - it's Lotus Cars. Furthermore, BMW bought into Sauber while it was already in F1. Mercedes bought Brawn while it was already in F1. And going back, Renault bought Benetton while it was already in F1. Save for an association with Lotus F1, Lotus Cars and Proton had no continuing connection to the series. So the parallels aren't much the same. The question is really about motivation.Back in October I was fortunate enough to get Autosport's 'Star Letter' prize one week (though the prize has been more of a millstone!), when the whole Renault-Lotus/Lotus-Renault thing began. It was edited, but my essential theme remained intact - that in PR terms Lotus Group (and by extension private equity firm Genii and car makers Proton) were looking to shoot themselves in the tyres if they were perceived to be leaning on Lotus F1. It looked (to me then) like Group Lotus (GL) were being 'dog in the manger' about the whole thing, having shown 0% interest in F1 until Hingham came along. And now GL via Lotus Cars was trying to muscle Lotus F1 out of the way, with reports of unspecified accusations of brand damage. I predicted that this would not go down well with fans, who don't much take to corporations bullying the little guy.Looking around here and elsewhere, this does seem to be the general mood. There is (of course) some hair-splitting about which is the 'real' Lotus (including Autosport itself, interestingly), but when it comes down to motivation, Fernandes and Gascoyne seem to still hold the moral high ground. That Hingham announced that they would run in black and gold next year as Team Lotus, only for Genii and GL to do the same, does beg questions about the kind of people are behind Renault - or rather, not-Renault...Whether there are two Loti in 2011 doesn't much bother me per se, as we had two McLarens in the past (admittedly both from the same stable), and as someone has already mentioned we have two Red Bulls from different stables, and that ignores the Rob Walkers of a bygone age running customer Brabhams, McLarens, Loti, Williams' and so on. What I am far more interested in is not having not-Renault going around putting sugar in Team Lotus' fuel tanks, figuratively speaking (maybe literally speaking too!), out of spite, and that Team Lotus are allowed to compete on as level a track surface that F1 can provide - so we're talking relative, here.How it looks to me at the moment is that not-Renault, having missed a trick for a contested throne, then tries to depose those who have made things happen, while claiming the other was in fact the usurper. Shades of Henry IV? Ask yourself - is that the kind of behaviour that's going to make you cheer on new Lotus-Renault, and buy their merchandise in 2011?I wonder what Colin Chapman and Ted Toleman would've thought about all this... Complain about this comment 80. At 2:19pm on 11 Dec 2010, Dave wrote: I find it bizarre that this has been so twisted by the media. Lotus as a manufacturer of cars is entering the sport as well as Team Lotus, and that's great. If you actually read the comments from Renault Lotus, they're very happy to have two Lotus teams on the grid, although they aren't particularly keen on them having basically the same livery. "I am fine with having four motor cars out there [with Lotus on them]. That increases the visibility of the brand."They very reasonably have explained that whilst they would have liked to support Tony Fernandes, they simply couldn't afford to do so to an extent that would bring success, nor did they wish to wait the several seasons it would take even if done well - see how long it took Red Bull? Their £100 million per year at Renault Lotus will give them a car with a chance of challenging for race wins and championship titles.Their comments on the heritage aspect are also interesting, and show a very reasonable outlook. They don't want to trade on past glories, or on Colin Chapman's reputation, so they wouldn't call the team 'Team Lotus' even if they had the rights to the name. "On the subject of Team Lotus we have never, and we will never, be Team Lotus. We have never claimed to be Team Lotus. We never want to be Team Lotus. Because that was a successful, historical era of the company when Mr Chapman had it. But it is an era which we should leave it in the past. We are a newcomer, if you want."Very interesting Q&A on the Telegraph website about this, from which the above quotes were taken. Complain about this comment 81. At 2:24pm on 11 Dec 2010, Dave wrote:#67To assuage your worries a bit, perhaps, I'd think you should look at all of that as (eventually) marketing/credibility-building for Proton, rather than Lotus, so there's much more justification than there would be if it was just for Lotus. I expect to see technology transfers from Lotus to Proton at some point, to try and turn Proton into a credible brand on a par with Hyundai, say. Complain about this comment 82. At 6:15pm on 11 Dec 2010, Michty Me wrote:How are the twice mighty Renault falling....This year, allied with Lada; next year, Proton.FSO for 2012? Complain about this comment 83. At 9:38pm on 11 Dec 2010, Michty Me wrote:So, Team Lotus intend to race in a car which is "green with a dash of yellow", whilst Lotus-Renault go down the cigarette-brand colouring route which could see the car being legally injuncted from racing in the EU for advertising a tobacco brand...Team Lotus abandon plans to race in black and gold Complain about this comment Previous Next View these comments in RSS Jump to more content from this blog About this blog The love affair has blown hot and cold, but Formula 1 has had me in its spell for most of my life. After 16 years covering the sport, in which I have reported from more than 100 Grands Prix, I am as thrilled by its heights, fascinated by its complexities and exasperated by its idiosyncrasies as ever. 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